David Letterman is a bully

He doesn't act like a man. He makes fun of little girls & then acts like it is cute. He is like Don Imus & Howard Stern - he should be fired & thrown onto the scrap heap of comedy. He is a pathetic excuse for a human being.


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The Palins are disingenuous a-holes

Coaster's picture

I love the way they're acting as if he was making fun of one of their younger daughters and not that upstanding example of abstinence, Bristol, who's already popped out one out-of-wedlock crotchfruit. Oh, the fake outrage!

Edited Saturday, June 13th, to add the folowing:

If, as Sarah claims, Bristol was not at the game, and the only daughter there was 14, than yes, Letterman stepped over the boundary.  He should have come forth with a sincere aplolgy.  And then ripped Sarah "Slutty Flight Attendant" Palin a new on in the coming months. 

Unfortunately, Rajah, that woman ain't sliding into obscurity any time soon.  She's the right's number 1 fund raiser. 

So let's see if I have this straight. . .

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The actual comedians, i.e., those entertainers who have been making a living telling jokes, such as David Letterman, Al Franken, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Joy Behar, Roseann Barr, Rosie O'Donnell, Wanda Sykes, etc., are to be held to a standard of sobriety and propriety approximating Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite.

But the political pundits, i.e., those entertainers who sell themselves as providing sober, scholarly, factual political commentary, such as Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc., are to be forgiven whatever light-hearted, good-natured quips and jibes that happen to pass their lips in the spirit of camaraderie and good, clean fun! To wit:

- Ann Coulter refers to legendary White House correspondent Helen Thomas as "that old Arab" who "doesn't belong within yards of the president."

- Ann Coulter calls then-Democratic-Presidential candidate John Edwards a "faggot." (BTW: Kudos to Ann on this! Calling someone a faggot always killed when I used it in fifth grade.)

- Rush Limbaugh singing "Barack, the Magic Negro" to his enthralled listeners.

- On his television show, Rush Limbaugh asks his audience if they've seen the new White House dog and then flashes a picture of then 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton on the monitor.

- Rush Limbaugh refers to John Edwards as "Breck Girl." (Does anyone not older than me even get this?)

Best regards, Wally

The only thing Letterman should apologize for....

Rajah's picture

Is drawing any attention to Palin at all. Can't we forget this bitch? I really didn't need to hear her godawful voice again. Anyone with half a brain would know he was talking about Bristol.

I seem to remember them being equally cruel to Amy Carter. Well that's part of the package you have to accept when you run for office. Palin needs to grow a thicker skin and enough with this fake outrage. Why the republican party still wants her after she lost the last election for them is beyond me. If she is all they've got then they ought to throw in the towel.

So is O'reilly

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Talk about hating oneself.  This man is absolutely gone.

It is illegal to incite violence

Dan_in_Cincinnati's picture

O'Reilly called that abortion doctor a baby killer 24 times on the air.  He should be arrested for inciting violence that resulted in the shooting death of the abortion doctor.  That is if the government can prove that the shooter actually did listen to O'Reilly.

{;-) Dan in Miami

No it's not

Scumby's picture

Not that I want to give O'Reilly or Palin any more unworthy attention, but the increasing use of excuses for suppression of political speech like 'inciting hatred' is disturbing to me.  It's an aggressive style of 'political correctness'.  O'Reilly made no direct threats against Tiller.  Should Michael Moore be prosecuted if someone he's gone after gets killed by a nutball?

On the other hand, what do you call a doctor who does abortions past viability if not a baby killer?  Virtually no doctors in the US do those for obvious moral reasons, which is how Tiller found his niche.  While nutball vigilantism needs to be prosecuted, I ain't shedding crocodile tears for the victim in this case.

Katha Pollitt's view

FearlessFreep's picture

From thenation.com:

Trust women. That was the motto of Dr. George Tiller, abortion provider and hero. Dr. Tiller trusted women: to know their own life circumstances, to know themselves. Trusting women has an old-fashioned ring to it, doesn't it, like "sisterhood." How quaint, the notion that a woman, faced with a crisis pregnancy, can reach into herself and make the decision that's right for her--at any rate, a better decision than someone else would make for her, someone who doesn't know her, has never been in her predicament and doesn't have to live with the consequences.


Someone like, oh, a man. In the immediate aftermath of Dr. Tiller's murder it was astonishing how many men were called upon to weigh in on abortion on national television. CNN featured William Schneider, Sanjay Gupta and Bill Press. On Fox, Bill O'Reilly defended his use of "baby killer" and "death mill" to describe Dr. Tiller and his clinic. On MSNBC, Keith Olbermann--who the last time I checked in spent a whole segment making fun of Miss Anti-Gay Marriage California's breast implants with waspish misogynist Michael Musto--had only men: Slate's Will Saletan, who thinks we can "end" abortion by stigmatizing women with unwanted pregnancies, because right now everyone is just too kind, and Andrew Sullivan, who knows as much about women's reproductive lives as I know about soliciting bareback sex on the Internet. Sullivan confessed:


"I do think that--I mean, I'm personally opposed to what he does. I actually don't believe in late-term abortions. But I have to say--on my blog today, a lot of women wrote in and told me their own stories of this. And I was kind of shaken by the fact that most--most women--almost all women that go to these places, are in desperate straits. The children are very, very deformed or ill or will not survive birth or the mother's health is directly threatened. These are very grave and difficult circumstances."

So Sullivan, who has been an outspoken antichoicer for two decades, is only now finding out why women terminate pregnancies? Shouldn't that have been part of the basic research? And even after hearing the awful stories, he still, apparently, thinks Dr. Tiller was wrong to help them: women ought to carry anencephalic fetuses to term, give birth to Tay-Sachs babies who will live a few brief agonized years, postpone their own cancer treatment or heart surgery to give birth even if delay means they die, have their stepfather's baby in middle school. But at least he feels bad about it now.

In the more than three decades since Roe v. Wade, "the fetus" gradually became the star of the abortion drama, and the voices of women who had abortions, aka "the woman," leached out of the public discussion. How many embryos can dance on the head of a pin--now that's interesting! Off-the-cuff judgments about how late is too late and what kinds of health problems count as serious--everyone's a doctor! Even women who have had abortions sometimes play the blame game--my abortion was necessary, but you're just a slut. The murder of Dr. Tiller has gotten more women telling their stories, and that is a crucial, good thing. Not so that panels of pundits can approve or disapprove but so that society can hear, firsthand, what girls and women go through. After all, since Roe, 45 million American women have terminated at least one pregnancy. That's more women than the dwindling flock who accept Catholic doctrine on sexual matters, and more women, I'll bet, than even know who Rick Warren is.

President Obama speaks frequently about finding common ground in the quest to reduce abortions, as if we all agree that the problem is the number, and not the need. Prochoicers, who have rejoiced at his support for contraception, realistic sex ed and accurate reproductive science, must be scratching their heads at his nomination of Alexia Kelley, founder of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, to direct the Health and Human Services Department's Center for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. CACG has many fine positions--it opposes war and poverty and the persecution of immigrants--but it supports church doctrine banning abortion and contraception. It's a travesty that its head will now control more than $20 million a year in funding to religious groups for family-planning services: you might as well put an astrologer in charge of funding for NASA. Maybe reproductive rights organizations think they have bigger fish to fry, but I am disturbed by the quiet around this appointment, made before Dr. Tiller was even cold in his grave. Only Catholics for Choice seems worked up about it. As we go to press, Feminist Majority, Planned Parenthood and NOW have said not a word, although NOW's Kim Gandy told me she was "aghast" and would speak out soon. A NARAL spokesperson e-mailed me this tepid statement: "We would not have picked her for this position. What's important to note is that she will be working for a pro-choice Secretary of Health and Human Services and a pro-choice president. We fully expect this administration to continue to promote pro-choice policies in the same way they have since day one."

Meanwhile, word comes that Dr. Tiller's clinic will not reopen. Terrorism works...

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You can honor the life of Dr. Tiller and make sure that low-income women receive safe abortion care by making a donation to the George Tiller Memorial Abortion Fund at the National Network of Abortion Funds. Contribute online at nnaf.org/tiller.html or mail a check to George Tiller Memorial Abortion Fund, c/o National Network of Abortion Funds, 42 Seaverns Avenue, Boston, MA 02130.



The fact that you're quoting O'Reilly antiparticle Pollitt..

Scumby's picture

says it all.  As my lesbian intellectual hero Camille Paglia puts it:

"As for that whiny troll, Katha Pollitt, an unscrupulous and unreliable critic and a cultural philistine, she's a good example of the phony prep-school/trust-fund leftism suffusing the incestuously interwined Ivy League cliques who run the corrupt East Coast literary and magazine establishment."

I'll drink her Kool-Aid when men are "trusted" to know when their particular life situation, experiences, emotions, and socioeconomic situations require them to beat their wives to a pulp.  It's an agonizing decision, you know.

The majority of Tiller's procedures were not hard cases like anencephalic fetuses.  That's like saying Jeffrey Dahmer's critics malign him because he ate a lawyer once, so he wasn't all bad. 

I was curious about the particulars and Googled this quote from Dr. Tiller from 1995: "We have some experience with late terminations: about 10,000 patients between 24 and 36 weeks and something like 800 fetal anomalies between 26 and 36 weeks in the past 5 years."  So there you go.

I'll take Katha Pollitt over Camille Paglia

FearlessFreep's picture

Paglia is an admirer of the cultural achievements of talk radio.


How would you take her?

Scumby's picture

That's what's so great about America, we have a diversity of radical lesbian feminist intellectuals to follow.  Personally I think Camille is way hotter, but whatever raises your flag.

Ugly speech is protected but violent speech is not

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Bill O'Reilly accused that abortion doctor of being a murderer. 

From Salon.com the left of center web site:

Tiller's name first appeared on "The Factor" on Feb. 25, 2005. Since then, O'Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as "Tiller the Baby Killer."

Tiller, O'Reilly likes to say, "destroys fetuses for just about any reason right up until the birth date for $5,000." He's guilty of "Nazi stuff," said O'Reilly on June 8, 2005; a moral equivalent to NAMBLA and al-Qaida, he suggested on March 15, 2006. "This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao's China, Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union," said O'Reilly on Nov. 9, 2006.

"No question Dr. Tiller has blood on his hands. But now so does [Kansas] Governor Sebelius. She is not fit to serve. Nor is any Kansas politician who supports Tiller's business of destruction. I wouldn't want to be these people if there is a Judgment Day. I just -- you know ... Kansas is a great state, but this is a disgrace upon everyone who lives in Kansas. Is it not?"

This characterization of Tiller fits exactly into ancient conservative, paranoid stories: a decadent, permissive and callous elite tolerates moral monstrosities that every common-sense citizen just knows to be awful. Conspiring against our folk wisdom, O'Reilly says, the sophisticates have shielded Tiller from the appropriate, legal consequences for his deeds. It's left to "judgment day" to give him what's coming.


{;-) Dan in Miami

PS:  I do think, at a minimum, the government should do a better job of monitoring late term abortions.  For one thing many states have laws on the books that make certain types of late term abortions illegal in some situations.  If the government did this - while maintaining the privacy of patients - it would defuse at least some of the nut jobs out there.


Freud and Palin and Letterman

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From the left of center slate.com:

In his 1905 book The Joke and Its Relation to the Unconscious, [Sigmund Freud] speculated that jokes, like dreams, are like letters from the subconscious and that, like dreams, they express unspoken wishes and desires.

He theorized that often—in the case of what he terms "tendentious jokes"—jokes allow us to bypass cultural repression and scratch some deep psychological itch. Freud speculates that dirty jokes are a form of safe sexual aggression—a kind of safe threesome—and that "hostile jokes" are those that "allow us to exploit something ridiculous in our enemy which we could not, on account of obstacles in the way, bring forward openly or consciously."

Hostile jokes, according to Freud, also bring the listeners who enjoy our joke to our team. If Freud were alive today, he'd give both Letterman and Palin perfect scores in each of these categories for their most recent efforts.


{;-) Dan (just kidding) in Miami

Letterman isn't funny anymore.

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That's all I'm gonna say.

Letterman blackmailed for $2 million

Dan_in_Cincinnati's picture

Don't shit where you eat.  Once again we see proof of how dangerous it is to date people at work. 

Letterman talked about his dilemma briefly in this video.


{;-) Dan in Miami

NOW goes after David Letterman

Dan_in_Cincinnati's picture

NOW [National Organization of Women] issued a strongly worded statement Tuesday night saying the late-night host created a "toxic environment" for his female employees by having sex with several young staff members over the years.

Letterman admitted to having multiple affairs last week after a CBS News producer allegedly threatened to blackmail him.

NOW President Terry O'Neill blasted the late-night funnyman, saying the affairs were classic examples of sexual harassment in the workplace.


{;-) Dan in Miami

PS:  If Letterman is successfully sued should his network drop him?  I would say yes.

PPS:  With his wealth and fame Letterman could have dated all kinds of women who didn't work for him.  It is hard to feel sorry for him.



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