Gay Teens For Christ
Gay teens are highly overrated. Some of them actually put up a fight before I get to eat them.
Christ, on the other hand, didn't put up any fight - unless you consider talking to be a fight.
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Didn't Jesus kill gays?
With stones I believe. It's in the Bible somewhere
Ye who is without a lisp cast the first stone
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There is not one word about homosexuality in the New Testament
That's some Old Testament stuff. It ranks right up there with killing your non obedient children and executing people who don't observe the Sabbath. But like all things Church related, the religious leaders pick and choose what parts of the Bible to which they'll pay attention. Those parts are usually ones that will grow the flock, keep in line, and guarantee a good fleecing.
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Oh yeah, I forgot
Jesus was more into lepers
Sort of a leper fetish
He loved those peelers!
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There's plenty in the New Testemant about Homosexuality
Jesus himself doesn't talk about it, because it wasn't really an issue in Jewish circles. When the church began inducting Gentiles, however...
Paul talks about it in 1 Corinthians. The relevant passage 1 Cor 6:9-11
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Homosexuality was a common thing, but the church was to be set apart.
Many Christians, however, seem to miss that part where Paul says "And that is what some of you were." Many in the church ovibously had homosexuality in their past, and many were probably still engaging in it, or else Paul would have had no reason to bring it up.
Of course, this is when engaging in homosexual sex didn't really mean you were a homosexual. It was just something you did, and it didn't necessarily mean that you preferred the same sex. It wasn't a whole lifestyle. Particulary for the rich sons, they would practice on boys before doing the "real thing."
Different world.
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Is that it?
Not being sarcastic, really wondering. I am almost wholly unfamiliar with the bible.
I hear this argument a lot - "the bible says it's wrong". Are there other parts, lines that specifically condemn homosexual sex? Is gender ever mentioned? Because if dudes banging dudes is on par with drunkeness or being greedy, I think maybe the religious right is overstating their case a bit. I've heard reference to some "man shall not lie with man" bit, but I've never seen it directly quoted.
Maybe I'll surf and see what I can find.
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The Greeks and Romans approved of it
Wasn't "300" about the gayist movie you've ever seen? And "Alexander", come on! There's a good example of homosexuality in "Spartacus"
I don't know of any passage in the Bible for or against it. Yeah, they all went around wearing robes which is pretty gay. It's a good thing Jesus didn't wear a cape.
Hey, wasn't Paul a greek?
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I think at least a couple of the caesars...
had male "wives". At least one of the roman religions was based on gay sex, wasn't it?
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Paul was a Pharisee, a Jew
Paul was a Pharisee, a Jew of Jews so to speak.
Although he did have the privilage of Roman citizenship.
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The bible says everything is wrong, so
why not jump into the handbasket to hell with the rest of us?
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There was that part in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah
Where the town folk wanted Lot to send out those angels so that they may get to "know" them
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And then Lot offered them
And then Lot offered them his daughters instead. Stand up guy...
Of course, hospitality in those days was sacred and taken much more seriously. Protecting a guest under your roof was more important than protecting your own family.
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I think this is all of it
-I went to several (scary) sites, and they all had the same four quotes. None of the sites identified who (if anyone) was "speaking" these words - so is it God's edict, is it some random dude sounding off, or what (again - very little knowledge of the Bible)?
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
-The last one is my favorite. It was nice of God to just let those fellas have at it - but I do wonder what the due penallty was.
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Nearly all of Pauls
Nearly all of Pauls arguments go back to the original Creation story. God created them male and female, in his own image (giving them dominion) and telling them to populate the earth. Sin, in essense, is simply a creation rebelling against the very thing he was created for.
Drunkeness, for instance, could be called supreme loss of control, and if you don't even have dominion over your own body, how do you expect to do anything else. Notice nothing is said about alcohol in general. It's telling when, according to John, Jesus's first miracle was simply allowing the party to keep going. Because a wedding, one of the biggest parties ever thrown, that ran out of wine was an absolute disaster.
While hating gays is certainly uncalled for, there are reasons why it is focused on so much in some churches. Because it's one of the most fundamental rebellions man could participate in, going back all the way to the original mandate given in the Creation story in Genesis.
Like I said before, in Paul's day, homosexual sex in the Gentile realm wasn't really looked down upon, but neither was it looked as a replacement or alternative to traditional marriage. Guys who had sex with other guys thought it was normal, but they also wives and probably kids. So it wasn't fundamental rebellion against the original mandate, although the church was still to abstain.
Today, however, is a different story.
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I stand corrected (although doing so from a seated positon)
It would be correct to say that Jesus never addressed homosexuality.
Frankly, what turns me off about the New Testament is Jesus' holier-than-thou attitude.
Mr. Drive, I'm waiting for your review of Religulous. I suspect it will spark a good discussion.
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If it would come to my town,
If it would come to my town, I would definately see. Hopefully it gets a wider release soon.
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Speaking of heathens, do you
have your Hallowe'en Calendar hanging on your wall yet?
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that's one hungry lass!
She can eat my brains anytime!
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I just knew those Power Rangers were challenged.
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