Has anyone seen Avatar yet?

Wanna find out if it's worth the fifteen bucks

Don't know if I can stand that much CGI, the last three Star Wars made me sick. Well, to be honest I don't know if it was the CGI that made me sick or seeing that gay robot again. This Avatar doesn't have a gay robot in it does it?


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See it in theaters. In 3D.

jazzdrive3's picture

See it in theaters. In 3D. It's worth it. I seriously forget I was watching special effects. They're that good.

I'm going to see it tonight...

Mal_Content's picture

I don't really want to - I hope I'll enjoy it more than I think I will.

Happy New Year, Raj.

My feeling is

RidingFool's picture

that it's just another ripoff.

Funny, I thougt the BMG show was the worst $90 I ever spent

Coaster's picture

Double that.  I took my wife.  And when you think that instead of sitting through that, I could have been been sucked off by a crack whore 18 times, well, the pain still lingers. 

It was out less than two weeks and I'd seen it 3 times.

Coaster's picture

I hope that answers your question. 

You must see it in 3-D on a big-ass Imax screen if at all possible.  If Imax isn't available, regular 3-D will do.  But you really need to see this one in 3-D. 

I don't think Cameron will disappoint you. 

Oh God (sorry you heathens out there) DO NOT,

RidingFool's picture

under any circumstance, see this movie. You have been warned.


I haven't seen it yet, but if I do, 3-D is a must, and I-Max...

TMundo's picture

...well that sounds like a treat if I can find one.

Happy New Year, Mal!

Rajah's picture

As a devout pessimist I really don't believe in the concept "Happy New Year" but I won't pee on your parade

I'd have to go to Atlanta to see it in I-Max but they do offer it in 3-D here.

Definately worth seeing...

MH's picture

Absolutely gorgeous visuals, 3D that feels like a natural part of the film rather then a gimmick, solid performances (both the regular performers and the mo-capped people), solid action scenes, a plot that might not be the most original ever but still works, etc.  Definately the best spectacle film of the year, if not quite the best overall film (that still goes to Inglorious Basterds, and Up in the Air is a solid film as well). 

Is no The Hurt Locker

Critico's picture

But you must see it on the big screen, and i saw the 2d version fucking lousy third world country.

James Cameron doesn't do gay

Missy-Busty's picture

I don't think there is a single gay reference in any of his movies. I   liked Avatar  - it's about 40% live action & 60% CGI - after awhile a suspension of disbelief sets in & you are taken away to another world. The last 45 minutes is one long battle scene. Unlike alot of other movies this one must be seen & on the big screen.

Avatar review.

mickrussom's picture


Avatar stunk to high-hell. If it weren't for Cameron's Abyss, Aliens and T2, this movie would be derided, lampooned and called out for the pile of festering caramelized feculent slime that it is.


This movie is rife with terrible acting, horrific dialogue, and its 'message' is delivered through constant abuse of moral hazards. We have moral relativism, betrayal and treason being perpetrated for the greater good. The greater good of course being subjective so a movie like this promulgates the idea that all crimes against any state or authoritative entity are justifiable.


This was a 3D wrapped celluloid that without the stunning (yet stupid looking, e.g., blue-cat-deer-women with human breats) visuals would, especially in novel form, be a bloody laughing stock.


The aliens stunk horribly. What's with the talking bi-peds with two eyes, a nose and a mouth. Has it ever occurred to these so called "creative" people that new life might be a colony of nano-bots, a slime mold with group intelligence, life that aspirates with copper based blood, non-DNA self replicating life forms? Why is everything a blue monkey with breasts? At least in 1969 when Star Trek was populated with "old-form" Klingons that looked like a bronzed human they were on a near-zero budget, but at least they were totally re-defining sci-fi and giving a window into the future. Also of note in this mediocrity contests, gravity on Pandora is for everything but the floating rocks? The physics, weaponry, strategy of the military and the plausibility of the whole thing is beyond fantasy, its moronic and so implausible that its distracting and ridiculous. No, this isn't Blade Runner, Terminator, BSG, Star Trek. This is like getting crystal-skull-raped.


Crap like Avatar, especially after T2, Star Trek, Star Wars (Ep 4,5 only), is shocking. Its showing that Cameron is a master of marketing mass subscribed explosion fests laced with politically motivated parables and drivel and sub-themed with nothing intellectual because there is nothing beyond the visual veneer, it is fundamentally puerile trash that's been hussied up to look like way more than it actually is. It is trash which is the opiates of the McDonald's eating masses.


Anyone who defends this movie is simply a below average or nearly average mind that can't see past visuals that are no more complex of a stimulus than a piece of string is as a cat toy. They are incapable of rational or critical thought and are very likely a wage slave heavily in debt working towards no particular end, lost in life, and movies like this are a form of escapism where they "want to believe" and become immersed in something because their own lives are basically mundane, insignificant and unimportant.


Moral hazards. Identity politics. Thinly veiled political positions. Preaching to the customer/consumer/viewer. Moral relativism. Severe lack of plot, dialogue and finally acting capability.


This is a turning point for the world. It is showing how things that stimulate basal sensory centers in the simplistic human mind lead the herd into mindless oblivion.


The Navi are flawless, they have no strata in their society or any inter-tribal strife. The bad guys here are 100% bad, and have no capacity for rational thinking or empathy, except scientists in white coats, they have all the wisdom, empathy and intelligence and are always right. The characters were utterly simplistic, like toys and images made for pre-verbal children. Its like having tele-tubbies broadcast in massively expensive exquisite 3D where every frame is lovingly crafted to present to you some of the flattest, most uninspiring characters ever created.


This movie is clearly well below average, if you liked it you are the reason Hollywood is cranking out garbage these days. This man spent 10 times what District 9 costs and made a movie far worse, (not that District9 was any benchmark or the cat's meow), and this huge budget could have given 10 directors a shot at making something good. No wonder Linda Hamilton divorced this drunken train wreck of a truck driver idiot Cameron.


This block-bustering famous director / famous actor garbage has to stop.



So this is your "everyone who disagrees with me sucks" movie?

MH's picture

First off, I've gotten kinda tired of the whole "people who like (mainstream Hollywood hit) are so much dumber then people like me who like (relatively obscure indie/foreign film)" argument - what's wrong with liking both for what they are?

Also, it's fine to have whatever opinion you have about a film, but what gives you the right to bash people to that extent just because they got something out of a film which you didn't?  People liking an expensive special effects blockbuster is hardly a "turning point for the world" - the 00s were full of expensive special effects blockbusters which made gobs of money (Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man, Pirates of the Carribbean, Iron Man, Transformers, etc) - can you honestly say that Avatar is worse then every film in those franchises which had highly visual appeal? 

PS - What's your beef with District 9?  I'm not sure if it's better, worse, or about the same as Avatar in my mind, but it's definately a more raw, complex version of Avatar's basic story...


Rajah's picture

Reminded me a bit of Alan Dean Foster's "Midworld" and McCaffrey's "Dragonriders of Pern"

This is what CGI is meant for making totally fantastic creatures and worlds

Yes, aren't we humans always the evil ones? Let's hope we evolve away from our evilness before we get off this planet and infest other worlds.


Mal_Content's picture

Avatar was sold out, and so were the next two movies I would have chosen to see.  I was stuck with Nine, and I have to say it was thoroughly underwhelming.  How can a musical get away with a bland, forgettable score?  Ok, before someone jumps on me about it, two songs were somewhat memorable, but that may have had more to do with who was singing them than the songs themselves.  And someone needs to tell Daniel Day Lewis he can't sing.

mickrussom review

Terry's picture

Well. Time to move out of your parent's basement, mick. Your palpable self-loathing has obviously ruined not only your Star Wars t-shirts, but also your sense of fun, pleasure, and reality in general.

"stunk to high-hell"? "pile of festering caramelized feculent slime"??

Look. If and when you get that GED, run to Hollywood and straighten all the "block-bustering famous director / famous actor garbage" out for us "below average or nearly average minds," wont you?

We'll all be eternally grateful.

And while you're there, find a good plastic surgeon and have that short bus pulled out of your ass; you'll feel better.

Avatar, idiocracy

mickrussom's picture

McDonald's sells the most hamburgers but they are crap. Yet with your logic, and the logic of the Avatard or Avatar fan, you celebrate crap because its popular. You don't care that the hamburger is responsible for deforestation using slash and burn farming (rather than sustainable rotation), you don't care the ingredients are unsuitable for human consumption. You like the taste and the price. You are a feral prole seeking self pleasure. You want your BREAD and CIRCUS. Doesn't matter if its good, bad, moral, amoral, toxic or not, you don't give a hoot. You want to pleasure your brain.

You are celebrating the success of foisting corporatist crap on the public, charging a premium for it and all through a movie that tries to communicate that corporatism is morally reprehensible.

All this demonstrates:

1) People are generally stupid. And given how stupid the median intelligence is, and half the people are dumber than that.

2) Crap outsells quality. That is why all the plastic crap in Walmart is made in China. People are just too stupid to pay for or care for quality. I can PROVE the toxicity of phthalates, alkylphenols, bisphenol A (BPA), PBDEs, PCBs, PAHs, diglycidyl ether, PFCs and leeching formaldehydes. I can PROVE it. And I can show you that phthalates, alkylphenols, bisphenol A (BPA), PBDEs, PCBs, PAHs, diglycidyl ether, PFCs leech from cheaply made products and poison you. Yet you keep buying the stuff up.

3) A misguided notion that volume sales are a sign of success. So when a certain drug company sells things like thalidomide or Viox at record sales levels yet its later shown this trash is toxic and causes heart attacks and birth defects, you would celebrate the commercial success?

This movie allows idiots, dolts, dullards, mentally deficient persons, addleheads, pinheads, dimwits, dodos, blockheads, boneheads, dopes, nincompoops, dummies, microcephalics, coelenterates, ninnies, nitwits, numbskulls, twits, momos, morons, imbeciles, cretins, dunces, fools, ignoramuses, retards and the feeble minded to mentally masturbate, to enjoy the BREAD and CIRCUS.

This movie has the following traps that have lead people who like this movie (Avatards) down a pathetic path.

1) Escapism. Because reality is unbearable for these morons.
2) Justification. If you feel food about this movie you can't be "wrong." It allows you to continue to live at standards of living that are not justified by your intelligence level or value to humanity and justify it all because of how you feel.
3) Allowing one's already weakened mind to be further perverted by utterly simplistic and childish renditions of scenarios that are some of the worst material for parables and demonstrations of societal mores.
4) Lust. Celebrating the sexual predation of an interloper with a primitive noble savage while said savage is going through vulnerable circumstances.
5) Gluttony. You stuff your fat faces with toxic popcorn (oils in popcorn when heated are very toxic), and artificially flavored candies while you enjoy your BREAD and CIRCUS.
6) Extravagance. The pomp and flair of this spectacle and the ridiculous budget that could have been better used to allow tens or more directors a shot at making better films is simply extravagant all channeled through a man with 5 ex wives and a huge helping of hubris.
7) Greed. The greedy nature of James Cameron and his pseudo intellectual movie that portrays greed as evil yet this very vehicle, the movie itself, was fostered out of greed and the love of money.
8) Apathetic listlessness. Those misanthropes who fester in melancholy use this bread and circus to further justify their acediac dispositions and behaviors. None of those who watched the movie actually believe in true meritocracy, libertarianism or self determination. They live in and actively produce a society which is antagonistic towards liberty and self determination through the creation of an authoritarian and autocratic state. Cameron uses the deep seated rage against INGSOC and the oligarchies controlling everything from cradle to grave to keep your morons to buy tickets and love it all the while making a billionaire richer.
9) Despair. This movie allows the festering in sadness and despair to not do something about it, but to gather for bread and cirus to make the promoter rich while ignoring endemic issue on the society they are pretending to rail against.
10) Again, another sedentary activity for the fat idiot moviegoer. The average Avatard ate a daily allowance of food whilst doing nothing for three hours. Then the same corpulent cowboy for freedom and justice uses his sausage fingers to type praise for this piece of trash on various forums.
11) Embracing rage. This movie depicts a an who is coursing with anger, rage and wrath. He lead the noble savages poorly and every executive decision he made was poor resulting in many deaths. It took divine intervention to swing the tides of war. Yet the protagonist is enjoyed as a hero. His rage, anger and wrath was satanic and nearly cost the noble savages everything.
12) Envy. The protagonist was green with envy over the noble savages carefree lifestyle and uncrippled/superior bodies. Not only would he be able to walk, he would be superhuman. This protagonist was no uber mensch. His Envy lead him to betray his own people, potentially dooming millions/billions to loss of life without obtaining the needed fuel to survive all to sate his envy.
13) Pride. This protagonist, despite being a disastrous executive, smiles ear to ear after "his victory." Yet in the scenes depicted it was divine intervention that saved the noble savages, not the protagonist. Yet as he participates in the rounding of the people he betrayed in a very fascistic manner he grins ear to ear with pride. He is not only full of pride but also of great vanity. He was the opposite of humble.

Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions - everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things:

bread and circuses

(Juvenal, Satire 10.77-81) (c. 150AD)

But, but Avatar was purty

Dan_in_Cincinnati's picture

The hero goes native and strikes back at corporate greed the only way he knows how to.  With violence.  Rather populist if you ask me.

He is just a grunt not a scientist. The movie makes that clear.

{;-) Dan in Miami

I'll say. You can spend your time over analyzing this film...

Coaster's picture

Or you can sit back and enjoy the hell out if it.

As I have. Four times.

So far.

I'm always wondering where

mickrussom's picture

I'm always wondering where dumb, broke in debt people like you get the money to go out and not only burn on entertainment you can't afford, but to burn that money watching the same thing over and over again.

Good point.

Coaster's picture

I usually donate some blood.  That usually gets me enough green to buy a bottle of Mad Dog and see a film.   Sometimes, I even have enough money left over to pay my Mensa and Cal Berkeley Alumni Association dues. 

lol, a mensa loser. "I have

mickrussom's picture

lol, a mensa loser.

"I have no idea what my IQ is. People who boast about their IQ are losers."
The Science of Second-Guessing, Stephen Hawking

Suck it. "brainiac" failure. Have fun with those analogies and being broke.



Riding Fool and Coaster are obviously hoboesssssssssss

Rajah's picture

I meself belong to Hermits United

It never hurts to know the signs.

RidingFool's picture


A little road food: www.cyberhobo.com/recipes/

And here I am getting ready for a road trip: www.cyberhobo.com/pics/11.jpg

For me,

RidingFool's picture

it's all about a gun and the Sev. Lots of money available there to whet my appetite for more.

You're spending a lot of time obsessing about a movie you hated

MH's picture

and the people who liked it.  You also seem to be forgetting the idea that taste in movies, music, books, TV, art, etc is completely subjective - why are people automatically "idiots" (or any of the other things you mentioned) if they have different tastes then you?  (your list above was full of stereotypes about Western culture and the people in it btw).

If people are "stupid" for liking Avatar, what movies should they like in your opinion?  I'm always looking for interesting movies to watch that might or might not be in the "mainstream".  Attacking people is one thing, but at some point it helps to actually be constructive rather then just tearing everything down...


Screw movies! It's all about

RidingFool's picture

shimmy.tv ! ! !

Shimmy this!!

TMundo's picture

^^^ So I take it you didn't like this movie?

Rajah's picture

Yeah, all too often CGI, 3-D and other special effects are there to dazzle you while ignoring good character developement and plots. Given there are no gay robots in this movie I'll check it out.

Yep, on science fiction movies and tv series often using the humaniod form in many of it's aliens. Even the aliens in Cameroon's "Alien" had two arms, two legs and a head. But the alien had no eyes which was cool. With CGI they should be able to create whatever they want. One motive for making them humaniod could be so the audience can better relate to them and have empathy for them. Would you have been happier if the aliens looked like slugs?

Avatar and Nine

HS's picture

In general, I thought Avatar rocked!  Cameron has done it again.  Let's be honest here: he's far from being the greatest screenwriter, but he's a very gifted storyteller and one helluva filmmaker - and he has the best batting average of any director in Hollywood. 

Okay, so it's Dances with Wolves-meets-Ferngully in outer space, but I really found myself sucked into the world of the Navi, thanks largely to the incredible visuals, of course.  I believed the love story and rooted for the Navi as opposed to the money-hungry, trigger-happy humans, led by Giovanni Ribisi and Stephen Lang (in a ridiculous, grotesque characterization that was undoutedly the foulest element of the movie).  The film's other flounderings (in addition to Lang's one-note character) were mostly just little things, hardly worth getting as worked up over as some Crankylanders: the voice-over was a bit clunky (especially at the beginning), the cheesy song that rang in the end credits didn't belong (it took you out of the moment), things like that.  Oh, it was nice seeing Sigourney Weaver (whose career was arguably MADE by Cameron, thanks to her Oscar-nominated work in 1986's Aliens) with a nice role.


As for Nine, I agree with Mal.  A great cast but lackluster songs except for Fergie's number.  I think the film would've worked better as a straight drama, without song-and-dance.  I mean, I wanted to like the basic story about an Italian filmmaker who can longer find his voice despite (or because of) the presence of so many influential women in his life, but I kept getting taken out of the moment by these unspectacular songs.  I gotta say though, Penelope Cruz has NEVER looked better than she does here...and Judi Dench sure can sing.



It WAS a straight drama in the earlier version

FearlessFreep's picture

Fellini's 8 1/2


Avatar interpreted

Dan_in_Cincinnati's picture

Man can not live by bread and circus alone

Rajah's picture

There must be a beverage

One good thing about Avatar

Rajah's picture

No gay robotsssssssssssssss

Live Avatar Role Playing

Dan_in_Cincinnati's picture

Looks like the Renaissance Fair people may have competition for biggest nerd of the year award.


{;-) Dan in Miami

PS:  Actually this looks like it might be fun to do. Once.

Avatar in theaters Friday with more blue sex?

Dan_in_Cincinnati's picture

 From the NY Post.  The best tabloid in NYC:


When "Avatar" returns to IMAX theaters on Friday for a limited run aimed at adding to its $2.7 billion box-office bonanza, viewers will get to see yet another cinematic breakthrough: Na'vi sex.


Director James Cameron has added nine minutes of footage to his blockbuster, some of which extends the love scene between hero Jake Sully's avatar and Neytiri, his 9-foot-tall blue lover. Beneath the sacred Tree of Souls, they mingle their anemone-like braids in alien union.


"The tendrils move with a life of their own, straining to be joined," reads a leaked page of the script that describes the scene. "JAKE rocks with the direct contact between his nervous system and hers. The ultimate intimacy."




{;-) Dan in Miami

I've seen this movie five times. Yeah, really.

Coaster's picture

I'm still in Avatar burn-out mode.  I'll be giving it a pass. 

Though I'll be buying the Avatar special edition when it comes out for sale in December. 

I hope Cameron gets into that Lucas fix-it mode

Rajah's picture

Where he keeps going back and redoing his films trying to "fix" them. Titanic could be changed to where it's nothing but Leonardo floating dead in the freezing ocean for two hours. Hey I'd watch that!

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