Question for LOTR fans (mostly it's about the elves)

Having recently returned from New Zealand, I did an LOTR marathon that kept me up WAY INTO THE NIGHT.

These films are fantastic, and I appreciated them even more after visiting NZ and the Weta Cave in Wellington.

But I've always been confused about some of the elf stuff.  For example:

1) Why doesn't Elrond show up to help with the battles at Helm's Deep or Gondor?

2) Why does Elrond and his gang live in Rivendell while Galadriel's gang lives in the trees?

3) Why are Elrond and Arwen the only brunettes?

4) What is the Evenstar, and how does it tie Arwen's fate to that of the ring?  And why does she have to "become mortal" if she were to stay with Aragorn?

5) If elves are immortal, why do so many of them take the boat across the river, or something like that?

 

Not that I want these movies to be any longer, but I am curious about these things, especially why Elrond doesn't fight and why Arwen is dying.

 

HS


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Without looking anything up. . .

Wally_Pipp's picture

In other words, speaking strictly straight from out of my ass --

 

1) Why doesn't Elrond show up to help with the battles at Helm's Deep or Gondor?

2) Why does Elrond and his gang live in Rivendell while Galadriel's gang lives in the trees?

These two questions are related. Do you remember the spell Sauron uttered when he created the One Ring?

     Three for the elf lords under the sky
     Seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone
     Nine for the mortal men doomed to die
     One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne.

     In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie.

     One Ring to rule them all
     One Ring to find them.
     One Ring to bring them all
     And in the darkness bind them.

     In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie.

It describes the rings that Sauron gave to the representatives of the three races that were supposed to focus and increase their magic while ultimately bringing them all under the control of the One Ring. The mortal kings of men who received the nine rings were subborned by their rings and became the Nazgul. Sauron hadn't counted on the stubbornness of the dwarves and their all-consuming lust for gold and jewels. The seven rings only increased the dwarves' desire for wealth, beyond any possibility of succumbing to the will of the One Ring.

The elves, who had taught Sauron the art of creating rings of power, saw through Sauron's spell at the last minute and were able to separate the power of their three rings from the influence of Sauron's One Ring. The three rings (Narya, the Ring of Fire bearing a ruby; Nenya, the Ring of Adamant bearing a diamond; and Vilya, the Ring of Sapphire bearing a blue sapphire) were entrusted to Cirdan the Shipwright of the Far Havens (Narya), Galadriel of Lothlorien (Nenya), and Elrond of Rivendell (Vilya).

The rings were most effective if their wearers kept them a secret and their powers were used by their wearers to maintain safe havens for elves in Middle-Earth. As the protectors of these safe havens, the three ring-bearers had to stay put. The only exception to this rule was for Cirdan of the Far Havens. He maintained the embarkation point for elves who couldn't stay in Middle-Earth and had to take ship to return to the Undying Lands in the far west. But when Gandalf was sent with the other Maiar to protect Middle-Earth from Sauron, Cirdan secretly entrusted Narya with him. But for the most part, Elrond and Galadriel stayed where they were in order protect the people and country within their areas of influence.

3) Why are Elrond and Arwen the only brunettes?

They are not. Google "Figwit."

4) What is the Evenstar, and how does it tie Arwen's fate to that of the ring?  And why does she have to "become mortal" if she were to stay with Aragorn?

The Evenstar is another part of Arwen's name. As I recall, she is introduced in the books as Arwen Undomiel, the Evenstar of the Elves, because the elves compare her beauty to the beauty of the Evening Star. In the Real World, we would associate this with Venus, the brightest star in the early evening sky. The idea of tying Arwen's fate to that of the One Ring is a melodramatic device invented by the screenwriters because they thought they needed some kind of sappy love story in order to keep people's interest in the movies.

The elves think of man's mortality as a gift to them from Ea. The elves don't know where men's spirits go after death, but Arwen needed to embrace mortality so that her spirit would not ultimately be separated from Aragorn's spirit upon his death. Arwen also gave up her immortality so that the Ring-bearer (Frodo) could take her place on the boat to the Undying Lands when he couldn't stay in Middle-Earth any more and left with the rest of the remnants of the magic of the Third Age.

5) If elves are immortal, why do so many of them take the boat across the river, or something like that?

 There's a lot that goes into this, but the short answer would be that Ea encourages their desire to return to the Undying Lands so that mortal men could control Middle-Earth in the Fourth Age.

Best regards, Wally

Nicely done, Wally. Thanks.

HS's picture

Of course, I never read the books, and none of this info made it into the movies - not even the uber-extended editions, so it really was all Greek to me.

 

HS

Out of your ass?

Rajah's picture

Wish I had that much information in my ass.

You must have a pornographic memory!

Is that an Ass Of Holding™?

Wulfgar's picture

Or a Heward's Handy Haver-Ass™?

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