This speaks for itself

Biden's 14 Lies


Fresh from the McCain people.




1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.


2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.


3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”


4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.


5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.


6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.


7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false


8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.


9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.


10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.


11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.


12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.


13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”


14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Dispute if you will, please.  I would like to know or hear explanations for this from the other camp.


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What Truthy meant to say was,

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Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!


And, while Truthy

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was attempting to tune his tinfoil-covered rabbit ears onto the thighs and whispers or a true 'Boobie, I discovered this!

Now those girls can really shake a leg!

Excellient point, RF!

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Serious constructive replies only please

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I would genuinely like to know why it's ok to factually lie in a debate.  Biden distorted McCain's vote on a tax bill.  Is this country that partisan that it doesn't matter what is said?  Why is winning at all costs worth the lies it takes to achieve that end?  Why do we no longer worry as a country when elected leaders can get on national TV and lie about what their opponents have done and accomplished?

I am just curious. 

I couldn't agree more

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Those are some sexy bellydancers!

Well now...

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Considering that most of what one sees on television isn't exactly truth in advertising, or truth in network broadcasting standards, what the hell do you expect? The good old days, if there ever was any such thing, are long gone. Everyone lies: to themselves, to others, to mom and dad and brother and sister and girlfriend and wife and husband and workmate.

Politicians lie. Lobbyists lie. Crankylanders lie. Sleeping dogs lie.

The only people who do not - ever - lie, are Australian.

I like liars. Quite often, they inadvertantly speak the truth.

As for television trash, the latest Bulldog-O version of pathetic television is primed right up over on another thread. That's a pretty good indication of the level to which television has sunk. Does anyone actually watch that absurdity any more?

Of course, that's another thread in itself, although it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Amemrican television is for people who don't know how to read a book or listen to radio. Fortunately, internet radio and television is available. And so far, books haven't been banned and burned in many communities.

Yeah, yeah, I'm rambling. It's getting late in Australia, apparently.

gosh, this is cute! (The

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gosh, this is cute! (The bold and italics functions I mean!




Mendacious lying pols, bankers, meejits?


Wow. There's a turn-up for the books!


P.S. Hasn't X-Man gone pretty quiet since McCorpo went a-begging to the Fed?

A serious constructive reply

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You seriously need to cite sources. Serious sources.  Only then might you be taken seriously rather than as some Repubbie party-line towning tool.  I mean that.  Seriously. 

If political lies are your bag, you might visit  This is a serious site run by pros.  Serious non-partisan pros. 

Also, Mr. Serious, your "question" is flawed and disingenuous

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You phrase your question in a manner that includes spurious unsubstantiated allegations against an honorable man whose only transgression in your hooded eyes is to be part of a winning non-conservative presidential ticket.

So what do you want? Somebody here is supposed to justify that it's okay to lie, thus proving your flawed assumption? I'm afraid you're just too clever by half for the likes of us.

That disingenuous tone does have a familiar rignt to it, though.   Are you grundle???

Spurious and unsubstantiated,

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I like. To me, it means gossip! I love gossip. Can we turn this into a gossip site?

Also, my rambling on liars and sleeping dogs lying wasn't meant to include all Cnarkylanders - especially the ones I have met. It's directed at those "other Cnarkylanders", the ones I haven't met.

Speaking of liars

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If this place starts to get all serious and stuff, I'm outta here!

Well, I guess it's true

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This site isn't a serious forum of debate about issues, that much I can tell.


Of course not, silly wabbit.

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It's a fucking music site.


That wabbit was gooooo-od.

Looks more like another circulating unfactual E-Mail

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did you cut and past that one from an E-Mail you got this morning?  I see no references for any of the information you posted.  If you'd like to provide actual links to where the info was found, I'd call that serious debate.  Otherwise there's no way to determine whether or not you just made that stuff up. What you just posted looks just like another one of those circulating E-Mails where facts are non-existant an opinions ae the norm.

If in fact that is from the McCain people, where is the link?  I assume it's posted on his site?  Why not provide links to each one of those numbers, backing them up with factual information?


Relax, boys. That there debate and results have been simplified

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for us all. Enjoy!

Now, that was funny, RF.

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Good one.

As far as General McClellan goes, here's his timely response

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to Palin's resurrecting him from his grave:

God I love American politics!


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Does its diet include bankers, short-sellers and sundry paulsons by any chance?


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But what does Sarah think of the Deadliest Catch?

"Fresh from the McCain People", my ass...

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More like "fresh from your spam box."  Like the man before me say- cite some sources and come up with an argument. Parsing a politician's words is like trying to find the grain to cut against on a shit steak. They are all hedging their bets at all times. They will pay for it in the long run by going insane, but there you have it.

Now, why don't you be a good troll and find an issue to argue.

Like Palin getting up on national TV and syaing that she wasn't going to answer any questions and the moderator NOT asking her "Then why are you here?"

You want debate- then debate. These spam lists amount to the laziest form of discourse outside the Senate. 

"Dispute if you will"

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3.  Biden didn't lie about offshore drilling, he just changed his position. (What does he think he is, a politician?)

14.  What makes you so sure that Obama WILL raise taxes higher than Reagan?  Do you have a crystal ball? (Or perhaps you realize that whoever gets elected will have to raise taxes higher than that to deal with the burgeoning national debt.)


The artist formerly known as Zorro.

There's a bottom line for all of those spewing election bullshit

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and it is this:

Y'all better have some cash socked away, because what you get every two weeks is going to disappear in taxes. No healthcare reform, no tax reform, nothing. The only reforms you're going to see will look good on paper, but they will be meaningless drivel in an attempt at cowing the masses.

If you can't figure that out, you might as well make a fort under the kitchen table in the house owned my mom and dad, because that's the only homes a lot of you will have. For those of you who are orphans, or have no mom and dad that own a home, good luck.

Canada has free healthcare! C'mon up and get yo'self some o' dat.

Or better yet, hit the road, Jack, and don't come back no more, no more.

Don't come back no more.


So we are to become a nation of hobos?

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Happy hunting days are here again!

Nah. All you Crankylanders can come up to my place.

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And help with expenses.

Speaking of Emmett Kelly

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The other day I was watching the closing credits of the Saturday morning cartoon/half-hour Post cereal commercial LINUS THE LIONHEARTED on Youtube. Remember the bit at the end where the bird sweeps away the light on the floor?  All of a sudden, I realized IT WAS TAKEN FROM THE EMMETT KELLY ROUTINE!

Why didn't I ever notice that before?  I'm kicking myself now. (And I also noticed that the postman's voice must have been a Gomer Pyle imitation.)


The artist formerly known as Zorro.

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