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Monique, I guess you're right that people form cliques with people who are similar to them, but there's so much more than butts, abs, or cars to be interested in. It's not that my personality changes, it's that the people I hang out with have a really wide range of interests -- and yeah, some are rich, some lift weights, some have skinny chests, some are poor. The only firm requirement I have seems to be that they have to be funny (which means at least some baseline level of intelligence). They have to make me laugh, mostly on purpose, and they have to be reasonably decent as people. If I have those it's always like a black-tie event. (And eating at Pizza Hut one night and going to a black-tie event the next night seems like an ideal way to live, since you mention it. Except I'd prefer KFC, thanks.)
What are the "norms of personal appearance", and who cares what 20/20 thinks? Are great abs now a norm of personal appearance? As far as good-looking people being more successful, I guess you don't know many people in the computer industry. Two words: Bill Gates. Bill Joy. Jaron Lanier. Steve Wozniak. I know the people who founded Cisco Systems...Sandy Lerner is a babe, but the other people are just regular folks. I'm sure you wouldn't be caught dead dating them...but you'd be missing out on gazillions of dollars.
If your friends would disown you if you were seen with a fat, ugly guy, my friends would say your friends were a complete waste of time and tell you to get a real life. Shallow, yep. I don't get why being honest about it makes it better, except as a first step to changing it. ("Hi, I'm Monique and I'm shallow!" "Hi, Monique!" "Tonight I'm getting my 1-month chip for choosing friends based on whether I like them instead of on how they look.")
It's not like I expect to change your mind with this, I know; I've had this discussion with other people off and on. But you should know that you sound like as much of a space alien to me as I probably do to you. I can't grasp why you think those things are important.
CFL -- I'm sorry, I didn't make it clear enough that when I was saying "ugly, puny guys = musicians" it was partly a joke. My insufficiently clear irony is the bane of my existence. But what I was really trying to say is that talent, within reason, is a babe magnet that cancels out poor looks.
Can there be anything more pointless than continuing a discussion in old Crankyland forums?
Maybe I'll end up with bottomsies for the thread. Yeah, that'll make up for it.
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