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09/15/1999: Molly, how serious were you in post 52? Posted by: unstable@hotmail.com (Unstable_Isotope)
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Apparently you've been following thread 7 in Stir of Echoes. I don't mean to be a champion of mendo's causes, but are you (and that damn TechnoGator) saying that small-chested women like Chica shouldn't have any admirers, or are you just randomly throwing insults left and right because of your hatred for somebody?
I've already pointed out that this accusation is not entirely true. Women can be thin otherwise and still have fairly large (and natural) breasts and round hips like Uma Thurman. An admiration for thin bodies is not the same as an admiration for flat-chested bodies or a child-like bodies.
This thread has really exploded since the last time I looked at it yesterday. But I've noticed that threads involving Wulfgar tend to go a little crazy.
09/15/1999: Richard
Posted by: jking76@hotmail.com (Technomage)
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My comment about you scripting Wulfgar's response was, of course, untrue. It was intended as a jab at Wulfgar's willingness to parrot other's arguments (even arguments that have been mutually resolved) instead of thinking things through. It was also intended as a humourous throwback to a long since dead flamewar. I apologise for involving you like that in this argument.
I appreciate the consession about the Python sketches, and I agree with your statement about bigotry vs satirized bigotry. The point Molly and I were rasing was that it was hypocritical of Wulfgar to use sexual slurs whilst flaming about racial slurs. The reason both are vile comes down to hate. And since, as Molly noted, there was nothing to indicate Wulfgar was simply joshing with her, we can assume that the slur was hatefully intended. Calling Molly a "twat" in anger is just as bad as calling a homosexual a "faggot" in anger or calling a Jewish person a "kike" in anger.
09/15/1999: Isotope
Posted by: jking76@hotmail.com (Technomage)
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We don't have a problem with flat-chested women. Mendo's pedophilia, however, is disturbing.
09/15/1999: hmmm.
Posted by: nbrown@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Chica)
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I got rather lonely an hour ago, since all my friends have already coupled up and gone out. Then I went back and read this thread. Now I'm pretty crushed, and wondering if I'll ever find what I'm looking for. The way this world is and the way my life goes, probably not.
sorry, just had to have my cry.
nat
09/15/1999: Chica
Posted by: carlo@www.com (lentil)
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What are you talking about? Pardon me if I simply read over something I should have, but what's wrong?
09/15/1999: sorry.
Posted by: nbrown@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Chica)
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Sorry. Just going through one of those "I'm skinny, I'm flat, I'm odd and I'm always going to be alone" phases. I'll be ok in a day or so.
09/15/1999: Lentil
Posted by: x@x.com (X-MAN)
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She's a girl. When she doesn't have a man she thinks her life is meaningless. Girls tend to do that.
09/15/1999: X-Man
Posted by: nbrown@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Chica)
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You should probably know a lot about that.
Go fuck yourself.
09/15/1999: Now look what we've done! We've hurt Chica's feelings! Posted by: unstable@hotmail.com (Unstable_Isotope)
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By insulting mendo, Molly and Techno sideswiped dear sweet Chica.
Why can't we all just get along?
Chica, I must apologize because I came off sounding pretty negative about flat-chested women in that post. But if you've been following SOE's thread 7 as well, you probably understand what I was trying to say. There are a lot of men out there -- more so than will admit in Crankyland -- who are willing to overlook a cosmetic flaw like small breasts. You're very intelligent and believe it or not there are men in this world who like that in a woman. I hope your situation improves soon, because you don't deserve loneliness nor condemnation, regardless of what Emerald, Molly et al might tell you.
Technomage, what proof do you have that mendo is a pedophile if it's not because he has expressed attraction to some women who have flat chests? I haven't been around lately, so maybe he did say something that qualifies as pedophil-ISH and I'd be interested in hearing about it.
By the way, how was the weather?
X-MAN: Oh, nevermind, you're hopeless.
09/15/1999: cosmetic flaw?
Posted by: nbrown@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Chica)
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Jesus, I can't win.
09/15/1999: Re: I'm back
Posted by: Akira@hatemail.zzn.com (Captain_Trips)
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Cosmetic flaw? I have to say im often more attracted to a woman with small breasts that are nice then big old fat ones that sag or even dont sag. bigger does not always = better!
goddamnit,
Gabe
09/15/1999: sorry again.
Posted by: nbrown@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Chica)
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Just having a bad night.
Re: the last post. Sorry to snap. Just struck me funny, like I was disfigured or something. I know you meant well, and I thank you for it.
09/15/1999: Isotope
Posted by: s_o_c@email.com Admiral_ (-sOc-)
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Technomage's statement is correct, mendo has specifical stated that his dream girl is A: underage, and B: a pancake.
Now, even though Molly meets one of those qualities, and say Gwenyth Paltrow, meets the other, the jist is that isnt his ideal woman. His sickness has more to do with demeaning beautiful young women like Chica, who meet both those qualities.
-sOc-
P.S. By underage, I mean under 21, (or more specifically younger then his daughter) however, we all know that mendo holds countdown's for those that are still under 18.
09/15/1999: In case that came out wrong .. Posted by: s_o_c@email.com Admiral_ (-sOc-)
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I love Chica, I love Molly, and I love all of woman-kind. The difference is I am not in the middle of a mid-life crisis, that would scare your own son from letting his father meet his girlfriend.
-sOc-
09/16/1999: Pardon me, kids.
Posted by: Fierce_Molly@hotmail.com (Fierce_Molly)
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Unstable Isotope: You began by asking me if I was serious with my comment to mendo. That was a good start. But then you tried to interpret my message, telling Chica that I think she should be alone due to some physical qualities she has. This is far from the truth. My comment to mendo was a snide, half-insult that meant nothing, except that he's stated time and time again that he's attracted to small-breasted women. This is not an insult to anyone with small breasts. It's not a statement on what size is "better." It was a humorous crack made against mendo because Sock left me a good joke opening. Don't be so quick to analyze what I say before I answer all questions asked.
Chica: I apologize if my joke offended you. That was the least of my intentions when making the post. There's nothing wrong with skinny women OR women with small breasts. And you should have no trouble finding happiness in love. The joke was targeted solely at mendo. Hopefully there are no hard feelings here.
Ivan: Welcome back, dear. Feel free to talk (as opposed to quote) anytime you think you're ready. *wink*
-Molly
09/16/1999: another (lame) attack by the ICQers... Posted by: mendo@mcn.org (mendo)
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don't you fuckwads have any shame...
Technomage, Molly, and -sOc-
calling me a pedophile yet again...
I can see why -sOc- is jealous of me... his place in Crankland is threatened...
I can see why Molly is pissed off @ me... I finally told her to "Grow UP!" a few days ago... her sore point...
But Techno... why the vitriol (sp?) from you??? or are you just a sheep... 'gee, all the other kids on ICQ are calling mendo bad names... I'd better too, or I won't be "in" with the CLICQ...
chica... pay no attention to these losers... pity them... I sure do...
.tom
09/16/1999: Silly mendo, it's not an attack, it's a statement of fact! Posted by: jking76@hotmail.com (Technomage)
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You lust for pubescent girls. That, you see, makes you a pedophile. It's not really a hard concept to grasp? Understand?
Think about it.
09/16/1999: Haha!
Posted by: Fierce_Molly@hotmail.com (Fierce_Molly)
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Mendo, please show me the post where I called you a pedophile. If you find it, you'll get a sincere apology from me. Until then, do me a favor and learn to read (as well as take a joke) before you respond to my posts.
My comment was on BREASTS...it had NOTHING to do with the AGE of the women you find attractive. Do you deny that many of the women you are attracted to are on the smallish side in the breast area? At least, as far as the actresses you've named in the forums. I didn't say this was a BAD thing, mind you. Your preferences don't have anything to do with me. I was simply cracking a little joke as to why you wouldn't find me attractive.
If I wanted to call you a pedophile, I would've said something entirely different.
-Molly
PS - mendo - Can't you find ANY way to define "ICQer" so that I can no longer poke holes in it? What's an "ICQer"? Feel free to let me in on the secret anytime.
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09/16/1999: May I intrude for a moment? Posted by: rbernstein@nyls.edu (Richard_B_Bernstein)
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1. I have never understood the appeal of terms of abuse based on qualities that a person has that that person can do nothing about. You can't do much (other than, in some cases, some pretty damned expensive surgery) about being born Jewish, or black, or female, or male, or Serbian, or tall, or large-breasted, or small-breasted.
2. I don't like those terms of abuse and do my damnedest never to use them.
3. I find any attempt to defend any such terms of abuse lame at best and dishonest at worst, and that is true whether the defenders are friends or foes....
4. Discussions like this end up injuring innocent third parties and that shits.
5. So ... why not just knock off the flamefest and dump all this odious terminology into the nearest wastebasket and walk away quietly?
09/16/1999: Fierce Molly
Posted by: unstable@hotmail.com (Unstable_Isotope)
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I'm fairly sure from your last response to me that you're smart enough to understand that if you attempt to insult a guy for liking small-breasted women, then small-breasted women will probably take that as an insinuation that something is wrong with them being small-breasted, so I'm not going to pursue this any further, especially since you apologized to Chica.
That's the problem with tossing out these broad engulfing insults. You can easily net somebody you didn't mean to. Go into a room, find your enemy and scream at him "You money-whoring Jew!" and see if the other Jews in the room don't feel insulted, even if your only intentions was to harm that one particular Jew. It doesn't matter what your intentions were or who your target was. You can't isolate a person for persecution with an insult that covers characteristics found in others who you don't mean to insult. I've noticed that a LOT of you in Crankyland make that mistake and then find yourselves apologizing to your friends because you didn't mean to flame them. I'm all for witnessing a good old fashioned flame war, but you guys need to use a little more intelligence when it comes to making sure your flames only burn your intended targets.
Techno, -sOc-, etc.: As for mendo and this pedophile nonsense: Do you consider Captain Trips to be a pedophile for admitting to liking small breasts? I noticed no one rebuked him.
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09/16/1999: Wulfgar
Posted by: Fierce_Molly@hotmail.com (Fierce_Molly)
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First, the number of slurs I use PALES in comparison to yours. They are, more often than not, a large part of your posts. Mine, however, are few and far-between. I'd still like Richard's opinion.
Also, what makes Technomage's insults "weak" and yours "purposeful"?
As far as the question of Floyd, I'm still here with the electricity and free time needed to post in Crank's, so I'd say I weathered it just fine. :)
I live in the middle of the state, so the east coast evacuated over to here. I had a day off yesterday because my school was turned into a shelter. My area just experienced a little rain and some wind gusts. Nothing too much worse than your average thunderstorm.
-Molly
09/16/1999: Jesus Christ.
Posted by: Fierce_Molly@hotmail.com (Fierce_Molly)
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I did not attempt to insult ANYONE for liking small-breasted women. From there, I also did not attempt to insult anyone who HAS small breasts. In conclusion, I did not attempt to insult. Period.
If it'll make you guys all feel better, let's turn my comment into an insult against ME! I insulted myself because my breasts are the burden that make mendo find me unattractive. An incredible loss on my side, I assure you. Ouch.
-Molly
09/16/1999: I'm back -- I was writing. Posted by: rbernstein@nyls.edu (Richard_B_Bernstein)
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I *don't* like the word twat and never use it for any purpose whatsoever, and certainly not to refer to another person, whether man or woman.
I don't like when others use it, and that goes for friends and foes alike.
There are enough resources of abuse pertaining to what people do of their own volition to obviate any need for terms of abuse that have their roots in aspects of one's identity that one can do nothing about.
Such as possessing a vagina.
09/16/1999: I love to explain!
Posted by: Fierce_Molly@hotmail.com (Fierce_Molly)
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Wulfgar, to answer your question, YES. I probably wouldn't complain about your name-calling so much if it wasn't so frequent. But as I said, insults and such seem to be all that your posts consist of. This is all sounding so familiar!
-Molly
PS - If you want to turn this around, keep an eye on all my posts and remind me when I use name-calling against another poster. I'll be sure to apologize. I can't remember the last time I did that, though, so...happy hunting.
09/16/1999: Fierce Molly, you have some more 'splaining to do Posted by: unstable@hotmail.com (Unstable_Isotope)
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"I've got an actual set of breasts."
That was your punch line. Now let met just say straight up: It's quite factual. But it does have a quite scathing tone to a woman with breasts the size of those you claim mendo is interested in, because you're saying those types of women don't have an "actual set of breasts." That's just insulting all by itself. No need to involve a mendo or any other male. Once again, it is a factual statement, but one made without a bit of tact whatsoever, and you've already admitted it was meant to be a joke, so it wasn't just a matter-of-fact statement anyway. I find it hard to believe you can't see how a small-breasted woman might find that single sentence to be insulting. Once again, I don't care what your intentions were or who was the target, even if it were yourself. What it appears you're saying is "I have an actual set of breasts [and small-breasted women like the ones mendo likes don't have an actual set of breasts]." I don't know why I'm telling you this because you're much too smart not realize this.
As for mendo's involvement, you said, and I quote: "The joke was targeted solely at mendo" & "My comment to mendo was a snide, half-insult that meant nothing, except that he's stated time and time again that he's attracted to small-breasted women." So you already previously admitted that you targeted mendo with a HALF-insult because he's admitted attraction to small-breasted women, but now you're saying "I did not attempt to insult ANYONE for liking small-breasted women," when you JUST SAID you half-insulted mendo for liking small-breasted women. Once again, I don't care what your intentions were or what you meant and neither does anybody else, because all that matters is the end-result.
Perhaps you need to re-read your previous statements before making posts. Either get your story straight or quit trying to wriggle off the hook. And if you're invoking your woman's perogative to change your mind, please tell me so that I can duck out of this pointless discussion as quickly as possible.
09/16/1999: Man! Have I got a lot of catching up to do! Posted by: skilly33@yahoo.com (skilly)
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All this time I've been calling mendo a fag!
Boy, am I behind the times...
09/16/1999: May the women who use their "perogative" choke on it. Posted by: Fierce_Molly@hotmail.com (Fierce_Molly)
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Okay, you're right. I did say that my comment to mendo was intended as a "half-insult." Meaning that I was going for the "Haha! Ouch!" reaction, if you know what I mean. Not a true insult. I was going for the laugh.
However, seeing that Chica was indeed offended by my comment, I took it upon myself to apologize. See how that works? It was not something I had to do. But I chose to do it because I like Chica and did not intend to attach any negative connotations to my post where she was concerned.
But you know what, Isotope? Chica accepted my apology. So I'm wondering why you continue to go at this.
-Molly
PS - If we want to talk about insults, let's explore your comment about me possibly using the "woman's perogative" excuse to get out of taking responsibility for what I post. I think I deserve more credit than that. That's the lamest excuse in the book, whether online or in real life. Using it would be an admission of defeat.
09/16/1999: Holy smokes
Posted by: unstable@hotmail.com (Unstable_Isotope)
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I tripped Fierce Molly up! Do I get some kind of award for that? Casino, are you looking at this? Surely I get a threadmaster bonus!
I think I'm done for the day.
No, wait a minute. I'm going to be stupid here and go for the jugler:
1) You're the one who "fought" back with a half-lie after I said "drop it" because you had apologized to Chica.
2) "Chica accepted my apology." Not in this thread, she didn't. She hasn't made a post here since you made your apology. I admit I haven't been paying attention to any other threads in this forum so maybe I missed her acceptance in another thread...? Or maybe you two emailed each other about it? Please enlighten me.
3) So the only people you apologize to for unintentional insults are people you like?
4) Oh, my "woman's perogative" comment was quite meant as an insult. And it certainly covers any woman, friend or foe, who would use it! Which I guess doesn't include you... :)
(That was your credit. Sarcastic credit, but credit nevertheless. If you saw what I was dealing with in Stir of Echoes you'd know why I felt compelled to pull the plug on that excuse before it could be invoked.)
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09/16/1999: Haha.
Posted by: Fierce_Molly@hotmail.com (Fierce_Molly)
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You tripped Fierce_Molly up. I don't think you get a prize for that, unless knowing you made me laugh makes you feel special. I'm so rarely tripped-up, you know...my time constraints are showing. :)
And to answer your question, yes, Chica did email me. And now I'm chatting with her. How special is that? We're havin' a grand ol' time.
Oh yeah, you had another question. No, I do not only apologize for unintentional insults to people I like. If I unintentionally offended someone, and I can SEE why my comment bothered them, I will apologize whether I like them or not. However, if I intentionally set out to insult you...
By the way, I didn't see what you were dealing with in Stir of Echoes, so I missed why you had to slip that "woman's perogative" comment in there. I felt I had to speak up against that, though. Like I said, that would just be lame. Besides, almost everyone in Crankyland would jump my shit if I tried to use that. Especially since it's ME we're talking about.
-Molly
09/16/1999: Holy Shiite Muslems....Unstable Isotope......you're baffling me..... Posted by: Yakvette@yahoo.com (TheGodmother)
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I find it hard to believe how YOU can't see that the REAL insulting statements in here are not about breast size.
You are worried about small chested woman being insulted by Molly's remark about *actually having breasts* (even though the intent of her remark was NOT to insult chica, for which she also apologized), but....on the flip side...some guy calls Molly an insentive lil twat, not ONCE, but TWICE, and infers that she should be glad he didn't call her a CUNT... and somehow that passes by you as LESS offensive?
I guarantee you....more women (and quite a few men too) are more disgusted by Wulfgar's loathsome comments, than they are at the "breasts" comment. It appears obvious to me that you just want to take Molly to task, which is fine, she's more than capable of handling herself, but...BLOODY HELL....if you're gonna ream someone's ass about re-reading what they write before they post - please direct some of that disdain towards the relentlessly UNAPOLOGETIC one - Wulfgar.
His *matter of fact* TWAT comments are despicable. "Under TWAT in the dictionary - you'll find Fierce Molly" ???? - I KNOW I'm not the only one here who cringed when I read that....) Egodds..... AND no apology forthcoming either....
THIS is why some decent Crankyland posters abandon the forums.
- eccchhhh
G'Mom
09/16/1999: Godmother
Posted by: rbernstein@nyls.edu (Richard_B_Bernstein)
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I'm disgusted by all of it -- by the whole damn tendency to use anatomy-grounded insults, which is just as disgusting as the tendency to use sexual-preference-grounded insults, the tendency to use religion-grounded insults, the tendency to use ethnicity-grounded insults, the tendency to use race-grounded insults....
All of it sickens me.
09/16/1999: I was wondering when...
Posted by: 13thknight@hotbot.com (Wulfgar010)
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...GMom would make her oh-so-predictable appearance and attack...
I CAREFULLY re-read what I post...that's why I catch out yer wee friends so often; they aren't terribly clever, you know, unlike some VERY smart kids on the site...
Unapologetic? You "say" that as if I have ANYHING to apologize FOR. Such is not the case.
I think Isotope is smart enough to know my real purpose, rather than the ones that OTHERS ascribe to me...
09/16/1999: Wulfgar
Posted by: rbernstein@nyls.edu (Richard_B_Bernstein)
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As a friend, let me say this, OK?
Using the word "twat" really turns my stomach. Especially when you fling it at a 15-year-old.
09/16/1999: Godmother
Posted by: unstable@hotmail.com (Unstable_Isotope)
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There's already more than a half dozen posters in this forum taking Wulfgar to task. NOBODY was taking Molly to task. In one of my messages I almost said something supporting the efforts against Wulfgar, but considering how rarely I post here, I decided didn't want to start any new trouble with someone else so I just cut that out and dealt with my own topic. I had no idea anyone was going to be offended by my NOT mentioning the Wulfgar topic. I apologize myself. And I also apologize to Michelle & Chica (again) for not agreeing with Chica that lentil's comment to Michelle was rather insensitive, because we don't know for sure Michelle is lying. That's how I felt, but I didn't say anything about it, so I apologize for keeping silent.
But I'm not so sure your criticism is entirely proper. After all, you had not chastised Wulfgar in this thread yourself before your condemnation of me. So how much less guilty of the sin of silence are you than I?
You're probably wondering why I asked Fierce Molly about that comment of hers to begin with, since my only previous participation in this thread dealt with jetlagomorph's abortion insult.
http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/stirofechoes/7.html
I doubt that many of you in this thread have seen that one. That thread, with primary participants Emerald, mendo, Masterless, Redundant One and myself, turned into a heated argument about whether or not attraction to small-breasted women was an indication of pedophelia. I just spent about a dozen posts defending mendo's right to be attracted to small-breasted women without being accused of pedophelia before this thread turned into what it did. So when -sOc- attacked mendo for "pedophil-ISH" actions (as Emerald would say) and Molly followed up with that "joke," I assumed (incorrectly) that she had been following THAT thread and was bringing the subject matter over to THIS thread. Since I was already involved in the same small-breasted mess in the other thread, I just followed it right over here.
And unlike some of you, I'm a pretty busy guy and don't have all day to war over every topic in the forums, so I stuck with the one I already had and let the rest of these guys continue on hammering Wulfgar. You didn't see me defend HIM at any point, did you? I'm not about to let Molly off the hook on one subject just because she's in the right on another subject. That in itself is not right.
I do agree that Wulfgar's actions are worse than Molly's, but his weren't my subject to begin with, and apparently not yours, until you got upset with me for not saying anything about it. And I'm sure you have all sorts of valid excuses for not participating in this brawl before now, but so did I. And you do have to admit that Chica acted far more hurt by the Molly situation than Molly did by the Wulfgar situation. I think I defended the right person(s). I do apologize for "reaming" her with such vigor about re-reading her posts -- you deal with Emerald for a couple of days and see if it doesn't carry over into your system. In fact, Emerald and Wulfgar are very much alike. VERY much alike. Fierce Molly seems pretty consistent on the average, except for what I just called her on.
By the way, I considered myself done with this thread after reading Molly's last post, which was quite congenial, I might add, but you brought me back into it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 09/16/1999: BTW... Posted by: 13thknight@hotbot.com (Wulfgar010)
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...THAT performance of yours was worth an Oscar...
...Meyer Weiner...
I do believe that at no time did I ACTUALLY call Molly a "twat"...go ahead and read the posts for yourself...
They're right there, just above us...
Maybe she's just being over-sensitive...
09/16/1999: Sorry, Wulfgar.
Posted by: Fierce_Molly@hotmail.com (Fierce_Molly)
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It's not that easy.
You wrote: "Why MOLLY...how perceptive of you....NOT. I'd say yer an insensitive, sick li'l twat, but that would be about it."
So yes, you did call me a twat.
And just for clarification, I never said it wasn't funny. I'm not saying I'm insulted. And it IS funny. But it was still uncalled for.
-Molly
09/16/1999: Ahhh, BUT...
Posted by: 13thknight@hotbot.com (Wulfgar010)
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...if one looks at the statement, you will note that it is NOT the present tense...
Hence, I did NOT call you a "twat"...I said that I WOULD call you a "twat", not that I WAS calling you a "twat"...
09/16/1999: Wulfgar, can you get any more immature? Posted by: carlo@www.com (lentil)
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You still called her a twat. Oh you're right - NOT was in the present tense. It's like opposite day!!! Well in that case, you are the most mature, articulate poster in Crankyland.
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